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Title: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 07, 2015, 06:05 PM
So I am thinking about getting a Lowrance Elite 3x for a basic fishfinder.. Really like the newer DI technology in the better models too though.. Wondering if a though hull installation is better or worse than the lowrance scupper mount(its surely cheaper) or ram mount solution. Been a while since I used a fish finder, and I have never used one on a kayak.. so I am starting out with something basic.. Hoping to upgrade to one with integrated gps and downscan technology later in the year..Anyone own the elite 3x unit? Your opinions / Pros and cons of different mounting options and this particular unit would be very helpful info.

Elite 3x
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Lowrance Scupper mount

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Transducer ram mount (wins the most "cool" points imo) ..maybe just a glorified line tangler?

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Scupper mount installed

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Ram mount installed

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Through hull install

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The cheapest and easiest of the options.. but I like to stuff my rods into the hull on occasion when I am landing and was thinking this type of install could get messed up with me jamming rods into the hull possibly hitting wires etc..
Well there you have it..

Right now I think through hull is the easiest..definitely cheapest
I do like the ram mount and scupper mount.. but is the scupper mount permanent once you install it.. meaning that if you remove it you have to buy another kit for 30 plus dollars? Unsure..  8)

 :D ??? :-\
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 07, 2015, 06:32 PM
Might have found an elite 4x hdi for the same price.. Anyone have one of those?
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: surfbrewer on January 07, 2015, 08:20 PM
I don't have any experience with Lowrance but my opinion is, if you can afford a ff with gps then get it. Why buy one without now just to upgrade? Also, definitely do not get the RAM arm mount. A few years ago I built my own out of PVC and although it works great, it also is a major PITA too. It catches on everything, kelp, shallow rocks, etc...I also used the through hull with the putty. The putty works great and I was really happy with that setup. For me I think the scupper mount is the way to go, you get contact with the water and full readings. The through hull is a close second though.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: surfbrewer on January 07, 2015, 09:42 PM
This is the putty I used  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441), its called duct seal and it works really well. Easy to install, just make sure the surface is clean. Wipe it down with some rubbing alcohol and let dry, then form a round "puck" about 1" to 1 1/2" thick and wider than the transducer. Press firmly onto the kayak and then press the transducer into the putty. Finally form the putty up around the transducer to encapsulate it. Your 1st photo with the putty is a good example of how it should look. I never had the putty come loose and had very good readings through the hull. Even temp. readings were within a degree or two once the plastic of the kayak matched the water temp. For the money and simplicity you can't beat it. A very close second to a factory mount.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: SeaWeed on January 07, 2015, 11:34 PM
For a through the hull you have to have some water around the Transducer. So leave some room for water, my first one didn't work unless I added water. the through the scupper mount looks like it would be hard on your scupper hole if you hit something with the transducer, and when landing.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 08, 2015, 12:52 AM
For a through the hull you have to have some water around the Transducer. So leave some room for water, my first one didn't work unless I added water. the through the scupper mount looks like it would be hard on your scupper hole if you hit something with the transducer, and when landing.
This is the putty I used  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441), its called duct seal and it works really well. Easy to install, just make sure the surface is clean. Wipe it down with some rubbing alcohol and let dry, then form a round "puck" about 1" to 1 1/2" thick and wider than the transducer. Press firmly onto the kayak and then press the transducer into the putty. Finally form the putty up around the transducer to encapsulate it. Your 1st photo with the putty is a good example of how it should look. I never had the putty come loose and had very good readings through the hull. Even temp. readings were within a degree or two once the plastic of the kayak matched the water temp. For the money and simplicity you can't beat it. A very close second to a factory mount.

Duct seal seems like the way to go... Easy, cheap and easily removable..Appreciate it gentlemen  ;)
How do you all have your Fish Finders mounted? Was thinking amount either a rail mount or something near the drink holder in my 135... :-\
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: surfbrewer on January 08, 2015, 06:57 AM
My only suggestion would be to have it as far forward as possible but still slightly within reach. I rarely change the settings on mine now that I have it setup how I like it. Having it up out of the way keeps it from being hit by flopping fish (I had a ling snap mine off and break the mount), out of the way of your paddle and rods. I like the idea of the rail mount so it is adjustable.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 08, 2015, 12:35 PM
Ive been looking at the ram mount. Maybe with the longer arm.. Looks like a pretty good option for around 30 dollars.  What FF do you currently use?
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dogpound on January 08, 2015, 11:53 PM
I have a lowrance elite 4 and use the ram mount which replaces the factory one.  Love the ram mount.  For the money it is a solid mmount.  I love it.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 09, 2015, 10:32 AM
I have a lowrance elite 4 and use the ram mount which replaces the factory one.  Love the ram mount.  For the money it is a solid mount.  I love it.
I passed on the elite-4x hdi after all.. I am going to look for one with a gps instead. The elite 4 looks like a good unit..Is yours just sonar or does it also use down scan imaging?  Also.. how is the battery life with the elite 4?  Some people say a cheap 12v5ah sealed lead acid battery is useable, but seems to me like it wouldn't be enough juice for more than a couple hours..
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dogpound on January 09, 2015, 03:34 PM
Mine is Sonar/Gps chartplotter color screen no DSI/HDI it is just the elite 4.  I have seen them down as low as 230.00 on ebay.  you can find the Mark 4 which is the non color version for 199.000 or less.  has a micro sd slot for mapping chart upgrades or saving data.  For me I didn't care about hdi when I bought it maybe if I upgrade down the line.  I like the lowrance, but plenty of other good units out there.  I don't know what you want to spend, but you should be able to find a gps/ff for around 200.  as to battery life I have a 6 year old sealed lead acid  12v7ah battery that powers it all day easily.  I can't say I have had it on for longer than 6 hours but have never had an issue with it draining battery in that time span. I  have had the Elite 4 for 16 months.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 11, 2015, 01:24 PM
Ended up getting this one for $219 at Cabelas..
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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on January 11, 2015, 03:47 PM

Very good choice RG.  You will be happy that you got the added GPS chartplotter, especially working the big blue.  I am a big Lowrance fan myself, as I have used many of the other top brands and to me the difference is night and day.  Currently run the Elite-7 HDI on a 7-1/2" x 1-1/2" RAM mount, and like Dogpound I couldn't be happier with RAM products.  I have even hung my fully rigged outback from it to prove a point to my buddy.  So those pesky lings will knock themselves out if they want to get crazy with it.  The longer arm is great as it makes the unit very versatile.  I rarely have to think about using a paddle so I like the unit right in my face because I am always on the controls, mostly for labeling waypoints.  And I have also had great success with the thru hull electrical putty. 

Here is a POV shot of my set up.  I also made a custom HDPE backing plate for the RAM mount base to bolt through.  This is a honey hole of fatty stripers all wanting to become tacos! Lol

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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 11, 2015, 04:57 PM
Also got the longer RAM mount. Looks like it should work pretty well..

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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dogpound on January 11, 2015, 06:37 PM
Nice man, that is a great deal.  I like that longer ram arm.  Looking forward to seeing your install.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 11, 2015, 06:50 PM
This is a honey hole of fatty stripers all wanting to become tacos! Lol

lol  ;D
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 16, 2015, 05:48 PM
So I have the ram mount attached to the rail system now and need to figure out where to go through the hull with the wires.
Also ran into another little issue.. Its damn hard to find a flat level spot to mount the transducer inside my hull.. being a pontoon style and all.. Inside the front hatch and toward the stern a good way seems less than level. I need to have that figured out before I go any further.  :'(

Maybe I will take some pics as I go along so everyone can watch me screw this up haha  ;D
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 21, 2015, 06:29 PM
Was thinking about going through my bow hatch with the wires to avoid drilling into the kayak...

Something like this maybe (please excuse my poor photo shop work  :D ) :

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I don't know if that particular through deck wire seal will work because of how wide it is and the way the orbix hatch is constructed:
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Also dont know if I want the battery in that exact location.. The split wire ducting / conduit:
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that would run to the hatch would be zip tied and have a few pieces of velcro under the zip ties and some velcro tape on the deck so I can stick it down in case it moves more than I think it will (it would be under 24 inches long I think). 
Basically I want to avoid drilling an inch wide hole through my kayak if I can(I think the large connectors on my fish finder would make this necessary in order for them to fit through) . Does anyone think this looks like it would work?  ;D
RG



Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on January 21, 2015, 07:23 PM

RG, this is just my two cents on the subject...  It sounds like you have really done your homework and acquired all the top notch parts for your project.  I know it sounds like you are afraid to drill a hole in your kayak because you may ruin it or something.  But I have worked with just about every media/material known to man, and modern kayak plastic is among the easiest to build/repair that I have ever come across.  So personally, the fear of ruining my kayak is non existent.  That being said, I would recommend getting a pre-manufactured thru-hull wire kit like you have pictured or like Hobie offers, and just do the job right the first time.  Leave yourself just enough slack to adjust the unit, but keep the on deck cable to a minimum, and run it into the hull asap.  Keep it clean and your deck as clear as possible.  It is totally up to you in the end, but having 1-2' of wire exposed on the deck is going to get caught on something eventually, no matter how much velcro you have.  It would be a shame to lose a trophy fish due to some crap in the way, or damaging the unit from yanking on the cables.  Plus the idea of moving the wires every time you open/close the hatch seams like a poor one, and will just encourage you to keep the hatch closed.  Keep your workspace clean and clear so you can focus on the job at hand.  I do know that from experience, using the Hobie thru-hull wire kit, that if you drill the correct size hole, if down the road you remove the wires and kit, the hole can be plugged with a flush mount bungee plug in a matter of seconds.  That and every serious kayak angler should look into a plastic welder for the future, to prevent nice yaks from being cut into tiny pieces, lol.  And you have the right idea on the split flex loom for the wires, I have used that on all my yaks.  Hope this helps, Cant wait to see it rigged up!

Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 21, 2015, 11:21 PM

RG, this is just my two cents on the subject...  It sounds like you have really done your homework and acquired all the top notch parts for your project.  I know it sounds like you are afraid to drill a hole in your kayak because you may ruin it or something.  But I have worked with just about every media/material known to man, and modern kayak plastic is among the easiest to build/repair that I have ever come across.  So personally, the fear of ruining my kayak is non existent.  That being said, I would recommend getting a pre-manufactured thru-hull wire kit like you have pictured or like Hobie offers, and just do the job right the first time.  Leave yourself just enough slack to adjust the unit, but keep the on deck cable to a minimum, and run it into the hull asap.  Keep it clean and your deck as clear as possible.  It is totally up to you in the end, but having 1-2' of wire exposed on the deck is going to get caught on something eventually, no matter how much velcro you have.  It would be a shame to lose a trophy fish due to some crap in the way, or damaging the unit from yanking on the cables.  Plus the idea of moving the wires every time you open/close the hatch seams like a poor one, and will just encourage you to keep the hatch closed.  Keep your workspace clean and clear so you can focus on the job at hand.  I do know that from experience, using the Hobie thru-hull wire kit, that if you drill the correct size hole, if down the road you remove the wires and kit, the hole can be plugged with a flush mount bungee plug in a matter of seconds.  That and every serious kayak angler should look into a plastic welder for the future, to prevent nice yaks from being cut into tiny pieces, lol.  And you have the right idea on the split flex loom for the wires, I have used that on all my yaks.  Hope this helps, Cant wait to see it rigged up!


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  Or I could just drill a hole in the kayak plastic :D


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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RHYAK on January 22, 2015, 07:54 AM
Yep,   
Drill, Drill, Drill

Only saying this because they are ma de for the lowrance FF, but get a hobie wire kit one hole no other drilling. Place the wires up it and thread the locking nut on the back.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RipTide aka Cor-Dawg on January 22, 2015, 08:44 AM
Yep,   
Drill, Drill, Drill

Only saying this because they are ma de for the lowrance FF, but get a hobie wire kit one hole no other drilling. Place the wires up it and thread the locking nut on the back.

 I bought the hobie wire kit and it is awsome, cheap, and easy to put together. I recommend it too
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 22, 2015, 11:06 AM
Yep,   
Drill, Drill, Drill

Only saying this because they are ma de for the lowrance FF, but get a hobie wire kit one hole no other drilling. Place the wires up it and thread the locking nut on the back.

 I bought the hobie wire kit and it is awsome, cheap, and easy to put together. I recommend it too

Can you buy the kit locally or did you order it online?
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RHYAK on January 22, 2015, 04:11 PM
Yep,   
Drill, Drill, Drill

Only saying this because they are ma de for the lowrance FF, but get a hobie wire kit one hole no other drilling. Place the wires up it and thread the locking nut on the back.

 I bought the hobie wire kit and it is awsome, cheap, and easy to put together. I recommend it too

Can you buy the kit locally or did you order it online?

Gonna have to order it, since we do not have a hobie dealer at the moment.
but this is that kit
http://www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/servlet/the-1352/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Wiring/Detail (http://www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/servlet/the-1352/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Wiring/Detail)
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on January 22, 2015, 07:28 PM

Fyi, you can also order it here if you only need 1.  And ACK has the fastest shipping around, plus they have a 10% off code in their latest email. 

https://www.austinkayak.com/products/13012/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Plug.html (https://www.austinkayak.com/products/13012/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Plug.html)

Get'R'Done  :P
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 22, 2015, 08:28 PM

Fyi, you can also order it here if you only need 1.  And ACK has the fastest shipping around, plus they have a 10% off code in their latest email. 

https://www.austinkayak.com/products/13012/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Plug.html (https://www.austinkayak.com/products/13012/Hobie-Thru-Hull-Plug.html)

Get'R'Done  :P


I would prefer to buy only what I need. but isnt there supposed to be some sort of rubber insert inside there as well??
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RHYAK on January 22, 2015, 08:45 PM
The single doesn't come with the plug, the set I showed comes with an assortment of wire plugs depending on what yours requires. Hobie sells in the two pack for the lowrance ready yaks.

As for the discount will not work, because it is a Hobie product. 

Good luck,
RH
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: lopezcador on January 22, 2015, 09:11 PM
great info to help thanks guys--hopefully makes an easy install. My FF comes in a few days and can't wait.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 28, 2015, 12:29 PM
great info to help thanks guys--hopefully makes an easy install. My FF comes in a few days and can't wait.

Have you received your unit Lopezcador? Started the install yet? I still havent purchased a battery.. Been busy..Ive looked around a little.. haven't found a good price yet. I'm looking to spend around 30-40 tops for a battery and charger..Also trying to figure out a battery box I can make for cheap. Still need to order that Hobie through hull mount kit as well.
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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Nakatack on January 28, 2015, 06:43 PM
great info to help thanks guys--hopefully makes an easy install. My FF comes in a few days and can't wait.

Have you received your unit Lopezcador? Started the install yet? I still havent purchased a battery.. Been busy..Ive looked around a little.. haven't found a good price yet. I'm looking to spend around 30-40 tops for a battery and charger..Also trying to figure out a battery box I can make for cheap. Still need to order that Hobie through hull mount kit as well.
 ??? ??? ???  8)

RG: Best deal on a battery is Home Depot 12volt 7amp  $18.00
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dogpound on January 28, 2015, 08:05 PM
Have to agree the hobie wiring fitting with the plug assortment is worth it and the way to go.   
Those batteries at home depot are a great deal,  they are usually back where the fluorescent ballasts and fixtures are.  As for a charger try harbor freight they have some decent 12v charger/tenders for cheap. 
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 28, 2015, 08:15 PM
great info to help thanks guys--hopefully makes an easy install. My FF comes in a few days and can't wait.

Have you received your unit Lopezcador? Started the install yet? I still havent purchased a battery.. Been busy..Ive looked around a little.. haven't found a good price yet. I'm looking to spend around 30-40 tops for a battery and charger..Also trying to figure out a battery box I can make for cheap. Still need to order that Hobie through hull mount kit as well.
 ??? ??? ???  8)

RG: Best deal on a battery is Home Depot 12volt 7amp  $18.00

Cool thanks.
Ill go over to Home Depot tomorrow and get one. Do they happen to have chargers there as well? Was wanting one with an indicator light that tells you when the battery is fully charged. I guess some chargers don't have that..
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dogpound on January 28, 2015, 09:00 PM
I don't know if they have chargers for the SLA batteries, my guess is not but harbor freight will or Grainger is another option for possible cheap chargers.  I would think you could find one with indicator lights.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on January 28, 2015, 10:04 PM

Im with Dogpound on this one as well.  I recommend the Harbor Freight battery tender/charger.  Its the way to go to preserve the life of the battery, and you can just leave it on the charger till you need it without damage.  I think I paid $5 for mine, works like a champ. 

Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: lopezcador on January 29, 2015, 04:26 PM
Hey Dogpound, got the unit-looks awesome. Thanks for the heads up on the great deal. As for install ,right now I am down south working and won be up in Los Osos for 2- weeks were my FnD is. But in the mean time with all this great sharing of info it's time for a Home Depot or Harbor freight and get some the gear needed for the install. Keep the threads coming guys I am really grateful. Hey what about putting the Battery in the back of the Yak to get it out of the way,?????? More room for the poles up front w/ the transducer already up front--or Can the transducer go in the back --Just wondering
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 29, 2015, 10:23 PM
Got the battery at Home Depot.. Its by the electric gate section, not where the majority of the batteries are. Do yourself a favor and get the SKU number off of the website and take it into the store with you if you decide to get the battery they offer. Even the one on the website is a different brand than the one they had at the store.. Same price though. Gonna head down to arroyo and grab a couple wheels and a trickle charger in the next couple days here.. Gonna make the pvc version cart the Palmetto kayak guy designed. Picking this kayak up by the handles in the middle and carrying it by myself is hard on the back!

Heres a link
www.homedepot.com/p/Mighty-Mule-12-Volt-Battery-for-Automatic-Gate-Opener-FM150/100016474 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Mighty-Mule-12-Volt-Battery-for-Automatic-Gate-Opener-FM150/100016474)

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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RHYAK on January 30, 2015, 09:06 AM
Gonna make the pvc version cart the Palmetto kayak guy designed.

Pictures???
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 30, 2015, 10:08 AM
Gonna make the pvc version cart the Palmetto kayak guy designed.

Pictures???

Here's a few.. This guy has a ride 135 as well and says the cart fit the hull style well, can be quickly broken down to be stored in the front hatch and is pretty sturdy. Only costs around "33 dollars" to make...I'm guessing around 50$..  ;D


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Full DIY instructions:
http://palmettokayakfishing.blogspot.com/2011/04/diy-bulletproof-kayak-cart-build.html (http://palmettokayakfishing.blogspot.com/2011/04/diy-bulletproof-kayak-cart-build.html)

Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: surfbrewer on January 30, 2015, 01:33 PM
RG - I made that cart from the Palmetto instructions and it is great! Cheap and works good, even on the Ride hull. It's not great in soft sand though.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on January 31, 2015, 01:45 PM
RG - I made that cart from the Palmetto instructions and it is great! Cheap and works good, even on the Ride hull. It's not great in soft sand though.
Ive got everything put together except for the wheels.. Going to have to drive to Santa Maria to pick them up ...
Ill post pics of the finished product as soon as its completed
 ;D
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on February 16, 2015, 09:54 AM
Well..
I managed to go out and use the cart that I made down at coleman beach..and had the fish finder hooked up as well..

Fishfinder:

I havent received the hobie thru hull kit yet, so I am using just a rubber stopper that I carved to suit my wires. I was getting a lot of surface clutter on the ff and what seemed like a ton of debris floating in the water and wasnt sure if it was actual debris or if the xducer is not installed properly..I was getting temp and depth readings that seemed accurate though. If someone has a good configuration for the elite4 hdi for use in the ocean let me know and I will try and configure it accordingly.. The old fishfinder I used to have was nothing like this new one. I did catch a few perch and tried to let them swim around under my yak and it seemed to kinda produce a bit of an arch..  :D

Cart:
Its hard to get this thing under the kayak properly while holding a 90 pound kayak up off the ground. I was thinking at least maybe a longer handle of 4-5 feet to get it into position unless anyone knows a different method to get it done more easily..? I like to place it in the middle of the kayak at its balance point. Is this the wrong way to do it?  I was struggling with it quite a bit. Maybe I could attach it to the yak with the back end up the yak still sitting in the truck bed?
 Also with the rope I used to lash it down it popped off of the kayak once and i had to reattach it all over again.. I think I may need to use a tie down strap instead. Once i had it on there and as long as I was on hard ground and the wheels didn't hit anything throwing the alignment off (I hit a stupid rock and it twisted the cart), it worked *pretty good. Storing the cart on the kayak made the kayak feel somewhat sluggish in the water, especially going into the current. I will try to avoid storing it on my kayak in the future.

Any advice is appreciated

 ??? ??? ???  ;D
RG
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Dippin-tip' on February 16, 2015, 05:18 PM
What about rearranging your PVC to go through the scupper holes in the rear tankwell. Thats how I made mine and it works awesome, I didn't want to deal with straps. Plus putting it on is easy, just turn your kayak on its side and slide the cart in, keep pressure on the cart and just roll the kayak back over.

Also the wheels from harbor freight are a good deal, I got each wheel for like 5 bucks.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: billydog on February 16, 2015, 07:18 PM
you really need the tie down strap, fixing your wheels In the center is what I do but when I load it up in the truck I move it back. as most know I fish windmills and such its a long walk for home made carts. when im stoked I run my yak down the trail  took a few adjustments but its all good ill post some pics of my carts   
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on February 17, 2015, 09:42 PM
Gonna make the pvc version cart the Palmetto kayak guy designed.

Pictures???

Here's a few.. This guy has a ride 135 as well and says the cart fit the hull style well, can be quickly broken down to be stored in the front hatch and is pretty sturdy. Only costs around "33 dollars" to make...I'm guessing around 50$..  ;D


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Full DIY instructions:
http://palmettokayakfishing.blogspot.com/2011/04/diy-bulletproof-kayak-cart-build.html (http://palmettokayakfishing.blogspot.com/2011/04/diy-bulletproof-kayak-cart-build.html)

I think I figured out why this cart is so squirrely on the ride hull.. As originally designed, the width between the two padded arms is a little to far apart and they seem to sit on the inside curves of the pontoons of the hull instead of in the flat areas between them.... Its hard to explain, so I made a couple of crude photoshop images for a better explanation.. Do you think moving the arms in toward the middle more would work better?? I would think it would sit better and not want to move to one side or the other.. The only way to find out is to cut some new pvc and switch around  a few measurements to bring the padded arms closer together by about 1-2 inches.. Heres the pics:

This is how the arms currently rest on the hull:

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This is what I think could make a better fit:

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 ................. ::)

Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: surfbrewer on February 17, 2015, 10:46 PM
RG, if you can get them to sit flush like you suggest in your drawing it will work better. Just don't go too narrow and it should work great.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on February 18, 2015, 08:26 PM
RG, if you can get them to sit flush like you suggest in your drawing it will work better. Just don't go too narrow and it should work great.

I'll have to make a new one later  >:(.... I have the extra pvc, just dont have the extra time. I had some extra pvc, so I made a much longer handle..about 5 or so feet... It makes it 100% easier to place the cart under the yak.  I can insert it, put the cart in position, then with a little twist, remove it.  Ill have to place a couple ratchet straps in the front and back of the carts arms to hold it in place until I can find the time to make a new one  :-[   :D

In hindsight, I might have preferred to have the hole for the ff wires drilled closer to the rail mount system...but it is what it is.. I'm no professional..I may just plug the hole i am using now with one of the t hobie thru hull plugs I am going to get soon here.. and drill another one up on the rail..
Heres a few pics.. one of the cart and a few of the ff install. anyhow... Tell me watcha think  ::) I better clean up my mess now before the wife kills me lol.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on April 29, 2015, 03:38 PM
FINALLY got around to ordering a Hobie through hull kit. If anyone has an idea on how to improve this setup let it fly.. Thought about getting the scupper mount for the xducer.. Also thought about plugging the hole I have shown in the pics and going through the rail instead.. Not really fond of drilling more holes though. Hope the hobie kit works out well.. Pics to come.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on April 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
I like the idea of the wires entering the rail just after the channel. 
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: JJ on April 29, 2015, 04:57 PM

     +1
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: DesertYak on April 29, 2015, 10:49 PM
Rg, I've done 2 through hulls on kayaks and one on a jet ski(thicker hull).  I started with an elaborate deployment arm on my yak after I watched my buddy bang the crap out of his transducer loading and unloading his Malibu time after time. I wasn't willing to damage mine and buy another transducer so I rigged up a deployment arm. As others said, it hung up on stuff. 

I went to through hull and never looked back. Unless yours is set up to take a transducer and it fits really well, I'd go though hull and see if the compromises are worth it. For what its worth, no problems with a hummingbird piranha max 180 or the Lawrence 4 hdi in either hull and I used the duct seal.  No glue, silicone, water etc, just pushed it in well to get good contact. 

You have to decide if water temp is important to you or if you can adjust a few degrees or if your ff has problems at greater depths.(could be the install method).
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: DesertYak on April 29, 2015, 10:59 PM
And I've launched and completely swamped the yak in Cayucos, filled the cockpit.  as I paddled through it kelp plugged the scupper holes as water drained out... and I was glad there wasn't a transducer taking up one of the scupper holes.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on April 30, 2015, 12:41 AM
I like the idea of the wires entering the rail just after the channel.
Yeah me too.. I put the hole in that spot so i could mount it in the center if  I ever wanted to... Still thinking about putting one in the rail though.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on April 30, 2015, 12:46 AM
Rg, I've done 2 through hulls on kayaks and one on a jet ski(thicker hull).  I started with an elaborate deployment arm on my yak after I watched my buddy bang the crap out of his transducer loading and unloading his Malibu time after time. I wasn't willing to damage mine and buy another transducer so I rigged up a deployment arm. As others said, it hung up on stuff. 

I went to through hull and never looked back. Unless yours is set up to take a transducer and it fits really well, I'd go though hull and see if the compromises are worth it. For what its worth, no problems with a hummingbird piranha max 180 or the Lawrence 4 hdi in either hull and I used the duct seal.  No glue, silicone, water etc, just pushed it in well to get good contact. 

You have to decide if water temp is important to you or if you can adjust a few degrees or if your ff has problems at greater depths.(could be the install method).

Ive been using this Elite 4 HDI ff with a through hull install with the duct seal and its ok for the most part..Dont care about water temp really... but sometimes I get a lot of clutter in the water column when it seems like there shouldn't be any. Maybe just need to adjust the duct seal or something...
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on May 03, 2015, 09:58 AM
Well I got the through hull kit in the mail. Looks like there is no way to run all 3 wires through one of these, so if I want to run them through the rail closer the the fish finder I will have to use BOTH through hull mounts and drill 2 more holes. Not so sure that sounds like a great idea..or if they would even fit on the rail.. Also I would have to order another kit to be able to properly plug the existing hole.  That pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: Shogunofthecity on May 03, 2015, 11:13 AM
Did you end up getting the Hobie thru-hull kit?  If so, Im pretty sure most of us are using that same one with all 3 wire through nice and neat, I know at least I am.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on May 03, 2015, 10:11 PM
Did you end up getting the Hobie thru-hull kit?  If so, Im pretty sure most of us are using that same one with all 3 wire through nice and neat, I know at least I am.  Hope this helps.
Yeah I got the hobie kit. I dont see any inserts that would fit my wiring.. I will look again. Did you have to modify it or something?
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on May 03, 2015, 11:59 PM
Did you end up getting the Hobie thru-hull kit?  If so, Im pretty sure most of us are using that same one with all 3 wire through nice and neat, I know at least I am.  Hope this helps.

Yeah sorry , I wasn't clear.. The wires fit through the actual thru hull ring/hole but its pretty tight...What I meant was that there wasn't really a suitable insert to  accommodate 3 wires.  The only one I can see that could possibly work is the one with the single large hole. Otherwise I may have to use goop.
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Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RG on May 04, 2015, 12:02 AM
I used the duct seal.  No glue, silicone, water etc, just pushed it in well to get good contact. 

So if you arent using water are you using a layer of duct seal beneath the xducer as well as around the sides and top then ? Ive heard about doing it like that. If so, how thick is the layer you put as a base?
RG
Title: Re: Fishfinder mounting...
Post by: RipTide aka Cor-Dawg on May 08, 2015, 08:50 PM
I used the duct seal.  No glue, silicone, water etc, just pushed it in well to get good contact. 

So if you arent using water are you using a layer of duct seal beneath the xducer as well as around the sides and top then ? Ive heard about doing it like that. If so, how thick is the layer you put as a base?
RG

 I bought one of these foam pads for my transducer. I gooped the bottom and outer sides directly to the inside of my kayak, let it dry, then put a thick layer of goop in the insert and pushed the transducer firmly down and kept a weight on it so it would stay down and keep a stronger contact withou letting air buddies get in and interfere. The ff reads everything perfectly and i haven't had any issues with it yet. (Knock on wood)